ArtBistro

Ok, let me start by stating that I have a real account with ArtBistro(I have for a little over a year) but I decided to make this fake one so I could bring up this topic without the risk of getting deleted, because I know AB has made a reputation of quickly deleting anyone who speaks against it.

So heres my question... This site used to be a greaty site to post your stuff and  get critiques from serious and experiances artists, but now... I don't even know. What happened to this site?

Just take some time to voice what you used to love about this site. Suggest ways to make it better. Why did you join this site and is it still living your expectations? I know when I joined I loved AB, but now I can't stand the problems its been having.

voicing your opinion without hiding gets you banned.  Where have you been?   

 There are many FREE sites out there that don't take to the haphazard ruling that this site is accustomed too.  There are several sites that you are FREE to voice your opinions without retribution from management.  There are FREE sites that allow you to voice bugs and problems in their system and this one refuses to listen.  As artists we all strive to make ourselves and our work better so why is it that an art site such as this doesn't accept or hear any of us out when THEY (site admins.) have asked us in the public forum for our opinions and then we get shunned?

valerie says ...

I'm sorry that you have the impression that we members are blacklisted for voicing their opinion. Members are blacklisted for breaking the terms of use. Please read the new and updated terms of use.

Just so you know, it is now against the terms of use to create a fictitious account. So please read these terms carefully.

The terms state:

• is implicitly or explicitly offensive, such as User Content that engages in, endorses or promotes racism, bigotry, discrimination, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;


• harasses, incites harassment or advocates harassment of any group or individual;


• involves the transmission of "junk mail", "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing or "spamming";


• promotes or endorses false or misleading information or illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous; 

If a member breaks any of these terms of use against anyone member or group on ArtBistro, punitive action is taken.

 

We are always looking for suggestions on how to improve ArtBistro. You may submit your suggestions in the feedback section on the forum.

 

IhaveAproblem says ...

Ok, let me start by stating that I have a real account with ArtBistro(I have for a little over a year) but I decided to make this fake one so I could bring up this topic without the risk of getting deleted, because I know AB has made a reputation of quickly deleting anyone who speaks against it.

So heres my question... This site used to be a greaty site to post your stuff and  get critiques from serious and experiances artists, but now... I don't even know. What happened to this site?

Just take some time to voice what you used to love about this site. Suggest ways to make it better. Why did you join this site and is it still living your expectations? I know when I joined I loved AB, but now I can't stand the problems its been having.

 

1. I don't want to sign in with my e-mail address (which is difficult to type) (DAMN Monster!)


2. I don't want to keep signing in every few minutes. (DAMN Monster!)


3. I don't want to be remembered by your web site. (DAMN Monster!)


4. I don't want to be combined with any other email address or site, of mine. (DAMN Monster!)


5. I WANT to be able to sign in with my user name. (DAMN Monster!)


6. I WANT to be able to shut off MONSTER's intrusion into my legitimate use of this site - but I CAN'T. (DAMN Monster!)


7. I WANT you to consider asking art suppliers, galleries and museums to advertise on this site. (DAMN Monster!)


8. I WANT you to refuse advertising by vampires like Keller, McDonalds, Burger King, et al, who have nothing to do with this/our enterprise.

• STOP it, STOP it, STOP IT!  "I'm mad as HELL and I'm not going to take it any more!"

Dave_Toth says ...

klockarsdesign says ...

valerie says ...

I'm sorry that you have the impression that we members are blacklisted for voicing their opinion. Members are blacklisted for breaking the terms of use. Please read the new and updated terms of use.

Just so you know, it is now against the terms of use to create a fictitious account. So please read these terms carefully.

The terms state:

• is implicitly or explicitly offensive, such as User Content that engages in, endorses or promotes racism, bigotry, discrimination, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;


• harasses, incites harassment or advocates harassment of any group or individual;


• involves the transmission of "junk mail", "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing or "spamming";


• promotes or endorses false or misleading information or illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous; 

If a member breaks any of these terms of use against anyone member or group on ArtBistro, punitive action is taken.

 

We are always looking for suggestions on how to improve ArtBistro. You may submit your suggestions in the feedback section on the forum.

 

IhaveAproblem says ...

Ok, let me start by stating that I have a real account with ArtBistro(I have for a little over a year) but I decided to make this fake one so I could bring up this topic without the risk of getting deleted, because I know AB has made a reputation of quickly deleting anyone who speaks against it.

So heres my question... This site used to be a greaty site to post your stuff and  get critiques from serious and experiances artists, but now... I don't even know. What happened to this site?

Just take some time to voice what you used to love about this site. Suggest ways to make it better. Why did you join this site and is it still living your expectations? I know when I joined I loved AB, but now I can't stand the problems its been having.

 

1. I don't want to sign in with my e-mail address (which is difficult to type) (DAMN Monster!)


2. I don't want to keep signing in every few minutes. (DAMN Monster!)


3. I don't want to be remembered by your web site. (DAMN Monster!)


4. I don't want to be combined with any other email address or site, of mine. (DAMN Monster!)


5. I WANT to be able to sign in with my user name. (DAMN Monster!)


6. I WANT to be able to shut off MONSTER's intrusion into my legitimate use of this site - but I CAN'T. (DAMN Monster!)


7. I WANT you to consider asking art suppliers, galleries and museums to advertise on this site. (DAMN Monster!)


8. I WANT you to refuse advertising by vampires like Keller, McDonalds, Burger King, et al, who have nothing to do with this/our enterprise.

• STOP it, STOP it, STOP IT!  "I'm mad as HELL and I'm not going to take it any more!"

 

Well said and to the point.  You can sign in with your screen name. I wasn't aware of the ads such as Burger King etc...I guess my using Firefox blocks them

Dave, 

1. I can't sign in with my screen name - it 's requiring my email address, and password, and every time, insists on asking me to merge e-mail addresses with monster accounts.


2. I don't think that there are Burger King ads here - I only meant to say that there don't seem to be advertisers relevant to the AB community. I'd primarily like to see support from and of paper/paint/photographic, art (equipment &) supply manufacturers, museums, galleries, etc., if there is to be advertising.

PatsyC says ...

I've been here, but I have not have that experience. I don't find it necessary to hide in order to voice my opinion. If I need to say something I say it and I am willing to accept the consequences.

I also see it this way:

AB is offering a free service; maybe they don't want or accept some one bitting their hand, would you?

I noticed by your profile that you have been here since July of this year. The 'bistro of old' was very different from this new bistro. The site has lost many talented people since the beginning of the year. They were entertaining, engaging, and they had some MAGNIFICENT art here.

That is what the poster of the thread is talking about. The worst part about that is not for the members who are no longer here, but for the members who remember when they were..

I've enjoyed being a member of the AB community, and have no problem with the Monster "intrusions"...I just need to update a pertinent resume;-)....My one concern is this: I'm usually busy working on projects and don't understand how busy artists could find the time to amass thousands and thousands of points...I'd like to try out new products and get free stuff, but such is the price one pays for being busy I suppose....

For the record you CANNOT REFUSE to combine Monster and AB email addresses.  At this present time it only gives us the option "I'll Do This Later." 

raffaeli says ...

PatsyC says ...

I've been here, but I have not have that experience. I don't find it necessary to hide in order to voice my opinion. If I need to say something I say it and I am willing to accept the consequences.

I also see it this way:

AB is offering a free service; maybe they don't want or accept some one bitting their hand, would you?

I noticed by your profile that you have been here since July of this year. The 'bistro of old' was very different from this new bistro. The site has lost many talented people since the beginning of the year. They were entertaining, engaging, and they had some MAGNIFICENT art here.

That is what the poster of the thread is talking about. The worst part about that is not for the members who are no longer here, but for the members who remember when they were..

Let me try to understand what you you just said the 'bistro of old' was great and magnificent but the new members have a lot less to be desired? We are lacking of the social graces plus we lack the skills to create magnificent art. I can live with that, it leaves a lot of room for improvement and this is one of the main reasons I joined AB.

Did you ever stop to consider that maybe these members that moved on were ready for something else and AB no longer suited their needs. I like the idea that AB is constantly evolving that there is new blood as well as "old". This how we grow as artists and as human beings.

valerie says ...

Klockars thanks for your inut on the ArtBistro/Monster website mergers. I have some insight to your concerns:

 

I don't want to sign in with my e-mail address (which is difficult to type) (DAMN Monster!)

Your email address is not required. You should be able to log in with your username. If you cannot please email me at info@artbistro to troubleshoot.

THANKS Valerie, That works!

I don't want to keep signing in every few minutes. (DAMN Monster!)

This is a known bug and it will be fixed shortly

I don't want to be remembered by your web site. (DAMN Monster!)

I assumed these two to be connected but they are just serial, I guess. Using a networked computer, I only want to be remembered until closing the connection. Now, it seems every few minutes, I'm asked to sign in and be remembered.

I'm not sure what the complaint is here. You don't want to put in your password when you log in, yet you don't want to be "remembered" by our site? "Remembering" is a function of all websites and the browser that you use. These functions have not changed since the Monster migration.

I don't want to be combined with any other email address or site, of mine. (DAMN Monster!)

You can refuse to merge accounts and shortly the reminder will be removed.

Can't! No place to do so.

I WANT to be able to sign in with my user name. (DAMN Monster!)

See above response

I WANT to be able to shut off MONSTER's intrusion into my legitimate use of this site - but I CAN'T. (DAMN Monster!)

The Monster integration is to help you and your job search capabilities. It links your resume on monster, which employers can see with your portfolio of your work, This is benificial to your job search. I will see if it may be an option in the future for access to your ArtBistro account to be walled off from your Monster account. You may prevent this from happening to refuse to have your accounts merged in the first place.

Thanks for trying - on that. Resumes, work history, cover letters are targeted to address the job.  I, like some others here, have worn many hats. I don't believe it is necessary or useful to show them all off to each and every viewer. I prefer to select the performance to fit the audience.

I WANT you to consider asking art suppliers, galleries and museums to advertise on this site. (DAMN Monster!)

Our advertising venues have not changed since the Monster site merger. As I look at the advertising just now it was for education, Adobe software, and a hybrid car. Last I checked artists go to school, use Adobe software, and drive cars. It is possible that more niche advertising will be implemented in the future this is our goal as well as yours.

Sounds good to me.

I WANT you to refuse advertising by vampires like Keller, McDonalds, Burger King, et al, who have nothing to do with this/our enterprise.

McDonald and Burger King do not advertise on this site. Helping artists and designers reach their professonal goals is our mission, so adversising from schools will not go away.

I didn't say they did - only that I don't want to see them here (with insurance companies, banks, and the rest who have plenty of other venues to plunder.)  [The last time I checked, artists did everything that anyone else does; and so, aren't they bombarded enough everywhere else. ]

This should be, I think, a more special place dedicated to art & design, as its name suggests.  - KD

That anything "happened" or significantly changed on AB, is largely a misconception bordering on urban legend. (And I don't speak of TOUs and blacklists here. That's for those other threads.) While it's true that much of the raucous, good fun once so prevalent in the general forums has stalled -- and whose fault is that ?-- the real action has always been on the inter-personal level anyway, and not on the forums. Indeed, it continues to thrive amongst the myriad, "underground", networks of artists, kooks and characters that continue to populate this site, whether for the greater good or someone's narrowly defined agenda. While it's true that, a relative few (less then ten), charismatic (I'm being generous) members have left AB -- and I'm not taking issue with their reasons -- it's also true that those who remained, to complain about those who left, did little or nothing to keep-up their end of whatever it is they miss so much, and indeed still make little effort. The short-lived phenomenon of former members colonizing new web sites in the extraordinarily vane belief that they would dominate the discourse in those new venues is shocking for its narcissism and laughable for its failure. But that is only eclipsed by the notion that but for them there was no AB. I'll take it one further: What happened to AB? You "happened" to AB! Now what? Your move.

Anyone desiring to post a new photo, painting or sketch of a squirrel, boxing kangaroo, zombie, or penguin is at liberty to do so. If you feel a burning desire to share a haiku with the world, who is stopping you? Have you coined a new word or given new meaning to an old one? Share it! But don't leave the rest of us with your sentiment that you pine for good old times -- especially if you did nary a thing to contribute to them. This place makes few, if any, demands that anyone participate in anything. Just don't tell me what it isn't anymore, if you're not doing something about it. And by "about it" you might endeavour to reviving a favoured thread or forum YOU left alone to go dormant, all because your "friend" decided to leave the party early. And some fun you where after that, too.

A suggestion . I have no problem with employers looking at my monster profile , but I would rather not everybody else see it . If I understand this correctly , as of now  its either all or nothing  . Perhaps a setting that allows employers only to view the information but not the general community . I think thats what most of us here would like . I let all the new folks know in a private message  that I can see their  info and how to turn it off if they dont want everybody to be able to view it . Most of the new joins are not aware that their info can be seen untill turned off in privacy settings ;)

gipsyofthemoon says ...

Hi! I am new here but I notice the difference from AB when I joined and the AB now. I can't handle the stress of being answering to messages and each message I try to send I have to sign in again! It is like that all day long! I think most of us take the free times to come here for a bit. Now it seams impossible to do that because you have to sign in each minute or so. Very stressful! Is there anything we can do? Why is this happening?

 

See the earlier comment:

valerie says ...

Klockars thanks for your in(p)ut on the ArtBistro/Monster website mergers. I have some insight to your concerns:

I don't want to keep signing in every few minutes. (DAMN Monster!)

This is a known bug and it will be fixed shortly

I visit here from time to time, a specter of the past, and I will not state my opinion plainly, for fear of raising the wrath of unwanted attention, nor will I question the management and their abilities to manage this site.. but yes it has changed and others have gone other sites because of grievances stated (that were reasonable grievances and were quietly dismissed because of it.) There is a reason for my signature. But yes Art bistro has changed and I fear not for the better. Yes it is free, but the time that artists invest here is not, and if it were not for the artists and their art, this site could not be. But enough said.

I have met really good artists here, who unfortunately have departed or were dismissed on conventions of interpretation of TOU. Again something that is not to be challenged only accepted.

But you folk have a good day...

Tom Whisper.... (The Devil is only a whisper away...)

valerie says ...

This bug and a few others are being worked on currently. I can't promise it will be resolved by the weekend, but I think it is safe to say that it will be resolved by the end of next week. I understand your frustration. I hope it will be fixed very soon!

 

- Valerie says: It will be fixed shortly. My question is How shortly? It is very anoying at the moment even fof comments!

Thank you Valerie!

I really hope so!

Thanks